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[Update to post, 23 June] The comments at the end of this post are worthwhile reading and we welcome you to participate. As I mentioned earlier this month the petition for the Park and Ride at Carindale, which obtained 274 signatures, was referred to the Minister for Transport, Annastacia Palaszczuk MP.

Ms Palaszczuk has said that Carindale is not considered a suitable site for a park ‘n’ ride.

Also of interest, an article in the Courier Mail today reports that Westfield Chermside is to introduce paid parking after three-hour limit for free parking.

On Twitter today, Cr Adrian Schrinner said: “if paid parking is introduced at Chermside, it’s only a matter of time before it comes to Carindale and other major shopping centres.”

“Translink are refusing to approve a much-needed park n ride near Westfield Carindale, despite hundreds of residents signing a petition.” he said.

Letter from Annastacia Palaszczuk MP (dated 1st June 2011).

I refer to a petition number 1625-11 lodged with the Legislative Assembly by Mr Tim Nicholls MP, Member for Clayfield on 23 February 2011, about park ‘n’ ride facilities in Carindale.

The TransLink Transit Authority recognises that there is a high demand for parking across the TransLink network. To address this issue, the state government is investing more than $150 million to deliver more park n’ ride facilities across the TransLink network through the TransLink Station Upgrade Program over the next five years. This investment will create more than 1300 extra car parks for our customers.

To help prioritise investment, TransLink has developed a Park ‘n’ Ride policy, which provides the strategic principles for the development of park ‘n’ ride facilities.

The policy recognises the importance of locating park ‘n’ ride facilities in low density residential areas where the facility will not attract passengers who might have otherwise walked, cycled or caught local feeder buses to their destination. The policy also aims to locate park ‘n’ ride facilities where they will not add to traffic congestion in the surrounding road network. As such, the policy does not generally support expanding or developing new park ‘n’ ride facilities in locations under 10 kilometres from the Brisbane Central Business District, less than one kilometre from major activity centres and more than 400 metres from high frequency public transport.

In light of this policy, given Carindale is located within a major activity centre, it is not considered a suitable site for park ‘n’ ride.

An alternative that customers may consider is the Sleeman Sports Complex Centre at Chandler, which offers 500 park ‘n’ ride car parks for commuters.

I trust this information is of assistance.

Yours sincerely
Annastacia Palaszczuk MP
Minister for Transport and Multicultural Affairs

While the petition did not specify the exact location of the proposed Park n Ride, Cr Schrinner has said that a potential site for the Park n Ride is on the corner of Creek Road and Old Cleveland Road next to the Council building and the Bedivere Street bridge.

Steve Minnikin, LNP Candidate for Chatsworth was the chief petitioner and I have asked him what he thinks of the number of signatures (there will be an update when I hear back from him).

When there are factors involved such as a large retail complex (which is also going under huge development), a high-traffic area (both cars and buses), frustrated travellers, frustrated shoppers, plans for the Carindale Busway and the like, I think it’s useful to get as clear a picture as possible of the situation. I hope this particular post can continue as a place where people can ask their questions on the matter. Drawn out issues can be highly frustrating too though so I also hope that a solution to the congestion and parking problems can happen soon. As author of this post, I should also state that I did not sign the petition nor am I for or against a park and ride at Carindale.

Add your comments and questions at the bottom of this post.

Post from March 1, 2011

There is a petition to the Queensland Parliament for the Request for Park and Ride facilities for Carindale. The Carindale bus station is attached to Westfield Carindale Shopping Centre which is currently the site of much construction and development. The petition states:

Queensland residents draws to the attention of the House the lack of dedicated car parking facilities for commuters using the Carindale Bus Station and the urgent need for a Park and Ride facility.

Your petitioners therefore request the House to take action to provide adequate parking for commuters using the Carindale Bus Station by establishing a formal Park and Ride facility as soon as possible.

The principal petitioner is Steve Minnikin who is running as the Liberal candidate for the seat of Chatsworth in the next state election and is also centre manager of Alexandra Hills Shopping Centre.

Councillor for Chandler Ward, Adrian Schrinner is supporting the petition, which closes April 30.

“Carindale has one of the busiest suburban bus stations, yet there’s no dedicated parking for commuters,” Adrian says.

So, what are YOUR views and questions?

ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Gen is the Founder of Carindale Connect (started in 2007). She has a Bachelor of Arts in Journalism from Queensland University of Technology and an internship from ABC Online. She's involved in a number of web projects, was the Website Manager for Chamber of Commerce and Industry QLD and the Editor of Wotnews (Australian news aggregator and search engine start-up). She also spent some time as a volunteer Community Correspondent for 612 ABC Brisbane. Born in Hobart, Tasmania, Gen now lives in Carindale. She loves her bicycle (but doesn't do lycra), the environment and art.
Genevieve Robey

  9 Responses to “[updated] Carindale bus station – park and ride facilities?”

  1. I think it would be worthwhile to look at the root cause of this issue, and not rush into bandaid fixes like the park and ride proposed. The current sitaution has been caused by a lack of funds for public transport and a subsequent reduction in the quality and frequency of services. The council decreased funding from $231 million in 2009-2010 to $205 million in the 2010-2011 budget period. Council bus services are simply not being expanded to meet extra demand from outer areas, so these commuters end up at carindale.

    As Deputy Mayor and Chairman of the Economic and Finance Committee, Schinner is well aware of these funding issues. It seems that Schinner and Minnikin are seeking shift blame to the state government, thereby avoiding the appearance that the LNP in council has anything to do with the current situation.

    I would rather petition for extra funding for transport services, than see millions of dollars spent on the temporary solution a park and ride offers.

  2. Me again,
    I really don’t think it appropriate to be petitioning for a Park and Ride facility. There’s so much re-building to be done after the floods and the huge cost that goes with that. I think government efforts should be focused on flood re-building. It seems a bit self-indulgent to be asking for a Park and Ride facility.

    It’s not hard to park up a side street and walk to the bus stop. I do it all the time. And people appear to be already parking on the site on the corner of Creek Road and Old Cleveland Road next to the Council building. Although I don’t know who owns this site and the legality of parking here. Isn’t this also the site of the future Carindale bus station? Get people used to parking here and they’ll kick up a fuss when they are closed out for bus station construction.

  3. One of the problems (there’s more than one problem) with a Carindale Park and Ride is that commuters from outside of the suburb will drive to Carindale, park there all day, and congest the 200 Bus and other bus services to the city. Historically, this has been shown to be a problem with Park and Rides located too close to the city which attracts commuters from much further away who will drive a further distance because they can. The 250 Bus from Chandler Park and Ride goes to the city. With the growing population of Carindale and adjoining suburbs it would make more sense to make all city bus services more frequent, particularly during peak times.

  4. Do the buses that go to the nearby Chandler park and ride link up to the Carindale ones? Chandler isn’t far away.

  5. The Golden Grove development in Adelaide has a great system where minibuses travel through shorter routes in the nearby suburbs, and people then transfer at the Village shopping centre to bigger buses to go other destinations like Tea Tree Plaza/O-Bahn/City. It keeps the bigger buses out of the smaller suburban streets, and the minibuses are high frequency to keep people moving. A set up similiar to this I think it will be very popular, especially as Carindale has a lot of higher density development (Meadowlands Rd and Wright St are near me, and have very irregular services for the population)

  6. Thanks for taking an interest in this important matter. Nobody is suggesting that parkland should be used. There is plenty of room available for a Park n Ride on the corner of Creek Road and Old Cleveland Road next to the Council building and the Bedivere Street bridge. The area is sealed and could be formalised at relatively low cost. I did some investigations into this land a while ago and most of it is already designated as Road Reserve. A few improvements could really help to turn this area from an under-utilised parcel of public land into a great community assest that benefits commuters.

  7. Instead of building a great big car park, which will cause traffic chaos in peak hours, maybe mini buses which service the local area and bring people to the main bus routes. The biggest problem with the bus journies in Brisbane is the lengths of trips. If say the 200 bus does a round trip and back it could take 2 hours. Now if the 200 bus only had to go to Coorparoo another bus or train could finish the trip, freeing up buses quicker. Another issue is the fact bus stops and train stations don’t tend to work in cohesion with each other.

  8. A similar comment as above from me. If a Park and Ride facility is proposed then a site needs to be proposed too. And there really isn’t one in the vicinity unless you cut in to the park. I think you’ll get a lot of objections if you cut in to parkland.

    I suggest parking down side streets. I used to park in Banchory St but more recently this area has been filling up quickly in the morning, probably because of the construction at the shopping centre. As I come home late at night I do not want to be walking to my car far away in the dark. My solution has been to drive to Camp Hill and park near the express bus stop there.

    I think the government has larger priorities in directing it’s funds to re-building after the recent natural disasters than to build a Park & Ride facility.

  9. This sounds like a pretty good idea. However, given that Carindale Westfield is private property, and the only spare land around it is parkland, which council parkland does Mr Minnikin and Cr Schrinner want the State Government to put the Park and Ride facility on? Or, what other site for this facility has been identified? Finally, how will commuters from further out along the Old Cleveland Road Corridor, Cleveland for instance, be monitored for driving in to Carindale, parking and taking the bus in to the city? As I said, it sounds like a good idea, but some clarification of important matters is required.

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